. >> what makes this scary, we're destimulating the economy as these programs-- >> i know, how do you get out of that. >> you've got to get the right people in government. and anybody who thinks that raising taxes on anybody making $400,000 a year is going to do anything for the deficit and-- >> i'll disagree with you, too, here. >> and you think it's stimulative to raise taxes right now. >> no, we're having a housing recovery. we're having an auto recovery, and-- >> one side going on-- >> adam. when you go from 1 to 2 that's a big increase. >> charlie, with all due respect, there is no data, reputable study showing that raising taxes on rich people. >> 1980, 1980. >> from '82 to '88. and -- from '82 to '88, every year, mr. reagan raised taxes, and after that-- >> a tax cut which took that rate dramatically. >> all right, guys, guys, guys, calm down. this is cable here, okay? dagen, do you get a sense that just this conversation illustrates that it's going to be next to impossible to cobble together a deal that remotely addresses this problem? >> yes. >> neil: so then what happens, is